Blog idea and D2

[Jeff]

If we ever get around to cleaning up our past conversations, then we could post a digest or even complete essays on a separate blog. The blog would be our ideas presented for the world, while the indigenous site would remain our internal monologue.

What is the "product" of the IC; what is the aim of our work? I think it's at least interesting that we are evolving a new way of communicating among ourselves. I would like to see us work toward producing art this way...and philosophy.

What do you guys think? Is a separate blog fed by our discussions here and indexed on www.technorati.com a good idea? If we want to do it, I can tell you now that I don't have the time to maintain the blog.

Jeff

[chris]

How do see this working? I mean, if it's non-moderated, then you'll probably just end up with something resembling these forums. But if it's moderated, then it's not truly a group product.

Maybe you're thinking more along the lines of wiki art? Wiki philosophy?

[Jeff]

I haven’t thought things through completely. But I like the idea of the board as an initial stage of a more formal presentation of ideas. I also like the idea that our final work could be the product of a community rather than an individual.

I have always thought that creative efforts could be improved if the power of a creative community could be harnessed, i.e., having a humanistic method as a counterpart to the scientific one. I also would like to see our method fundamentally collaborative at the most creative and personal levels. I see much strength in this kind of work.

But there are plenty of problems, too. We don’t agree on everything. Do we apply the Indigenous label to majority opinions? Is there are way to incorporate minority views into our work that doesn’t lapse into the kinds of debates that are happening on the board? I think there may be, but what the method is will likely vary from piece to piece.

In any event, I do think that we should consider stating/showing some things to a potentially wider audience.

I think a lot of our most creative work has been in forms of interaction rather than the generation specific ideas. I’d just like to see some thoughts about where we go from here, I suppose.

Jeff

[Tyler]

The internet works very well as a natural filter. If what you've done is good enough, more people show up and follow what you are doing.

[Jeff]

I buy that Tyler. But I really don't want the whole internet posting on our board. I think we could benefit from maybe two or three hundred, but at some point boards become... well like other message boards: Boring and useless for the most part. On the other hand, I would like to make some of our ideas available to a larger community. Isn't this part of what D2 is about if we ever get around to doing it?

[Jeff]

Tyler,

i was just thinking: Why don't we spend some effort imagining the perfect medium for an indigenous community. Then you could create the software tools to do it and THAT is D2. D2 would be pure form and no content. OR the form is like the engine in a video game, something that is always evolving. And successive Ds (II, III, IV,....) are realizations of the software at any given moment. As our ideas grow so does our power to share them.